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Poster: airgarcia416 Date: Oct 17, 2008 7:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: In Dicks Words - 1972

Found this online - found it very interesting. This may have been posted before, but what the hell.


Dick Latvala - 12:28am Sep 7, 1997 PDT (#305 of 308)

O.K. I have finally gotten some of my thoughts down for 1972 (actually
the second half of the year, since there are too many unknowns during
the first half!). What follows are basically my notes, and shouldn't
be considered as anything other than initial thoughts. The only reason
that I'm doing this, is to stimulate other opinions, which then, will
hopefully give a more comprehensive account of this exciting, and most
clearly fundamental period in G.D. history. This era stands alone in
its uniqueness, and along with the whole year of 1973, we have the two
most intense periods in G.D. history. There's lots more to be

1 The month of July is pretty un-eventful, outside of the "Truckin'->
Other One-> Jam" and "Not Fade Away->GDTRFB" from 7/16/72- Hartford,

2) The first examples of exceptional playing begin to occur at the
B.C.T. run in August. The 'Dark Stars" from 8/21 and 8/24 are
enormous. I need to re-listen to the 8/22 show, but it seems to me
that the show from 8/24 might be the winner here. I haven't ever heard
the 8/25 show.

3) Now we get to the most over-rated show in G.D. history, outside of
5/8/77- Ithaca, N.Y., of course! This show from Eugene (8/27/72) has
some exciting playing (Playing in the Band, Bird Song, China
Cat->Rider and the Dark Star jam) but it doen't hold up as a whole
show. There are many better examples where the playing is more
consistently strong throughout the show.(These shows include 9/21,
9/23, 9/24, 9/26, 9/27, 9/28, and 10/18)

4) The shows from early September (9/3, 9/9, 9/10, 9/15, 9/16, 9/17
and 9/19) don't have much to offer when compared to the above
mentioned nights. I should mention that the "jam" segments of each of
these nights is very exciting.

5) Now to the really exceptional material. First up is 9/21/72-
Philadelphia Spectrum. This show is one of my favorite shows ever.
This version of "Dark Star->Morning Dew" might be the best one! (there
is a jam segment that is very unique and thrilling, and one that I
don't really think that I have ever heard before.) The "Not Fade
Away->GDTRFB->NFA" is another delicious morsel from this power packed
evening. Each song is well played and worthy of attention. I think the
other major highlights are "Sugar Magnolia", "Bird Song", "Loser",
"Playing in the Band", "Truckin", and "Cumberland Blues".

6) The 2 shows at Waterbury, Ct. on 9/23&24, are both major highlight
shows from this era. The 9/23 show has the last, and very exciting
version of "That's it for the Other One" (I don't consider the
attempts in 1985 to be worthy of mentioning in this class). "China
Cat->Rider" and "Playing in the Band" are both the cream from the
first set, which is very good. The 2nd set has another highlight
besides the above mentioned one, and that is the opening and closing
pieces, which are both a bit unusual. "Promised Land->Bertha->Greatest
Story Ever Told" starts the 2nd set off with a rocket. The night
closes with very exciting versions of each song in this very unique
arrangement: "Sugar Magnolia->GDTRFB->NFA->Saturday Night". The next
night features outstanding versions of "Playing in the Band" and "Dark
Star". The jam segment, just before "China Cat Sunflower" begins, is
worth any effort to hear.

7) The 3 nights at the Stanley Theater, in Jersey City, N.J. on
9/26->28, comprise a run of three nights in a row that probably have
never been equaled. I tend to favor the middle night (9/27), but
really each could be a release on it's own. I'll save blabbering about
the particulars this time, since these three should be heard in their
virgin state, and then you can each form your own conclusions without
previous bias.

8) The next most exciting show, is the middle night of the run of
three at the fabulous Fox Theater, in St. Louis, Mo. , October 18,
1972. It took me awhile to hear this show correctly, but now it is a
clear example of one of the very best, with a couple of unusual and
unique treats within the "jam" segment before "Morning Dew". The show
from 10/2/72, at Springfield, Ma. is one of those that deserves to be
heard a few more times, and may achieve the levels of 10/18/72.

9) Something happened at the 10/21/72 show at Vanderbuilt Univ. that
accounts for why we don't have any good tapes from this period of
10/21 thru December of 1972. Bear told me a story about how a major
piece of recording equipment got stolen on 10/21, and basically
disrupted the taping of shows for the rest of the year, other than 3
shows at Winterland in Dec. But what is available is pretty good! For
me the highlights are the 2nd sets from 10/24, 10/26 and 10/28. Phil
is the key for these nights. He gets into a unique, thematic and most
thrilling type of jamming, that me and David Gans have called the
"philo stomp". There are at least a couple examples of this during
November, but more listening is necessary. The 2nd sets from the 2
shows in Oklahoma were very exciting. On 11/14, there is a most
satisfying transition from "He's Gone" into "Truckin", that basically
is a great "Other One" tease. Another treat is the actual entrance
into "The Other One". On the following night there wasn't really a jam
that comprises the bulk of the 2nd sets. The playing was very good,
with worthy versions of "Playing in the Band", "Sugar Magnolia", and
the "Not Fade Away->GDTRFB->NFA" closer.

10) In Wichita (11/17), one of the best shows, of this period
occurred. Garcia is playing with gusto and originality thru-out the
show. :"Bird Song" and "Sugar Magnolia" are the highpoints outside of
the real goods delivered in the jam: "Truckin->jam->The Other
One->jam->The Other One->Brokedown Palace". (the "jam" segments
contain lengthy and very unique playing.)

11) The last 5 shows in Texas, are each worth getting. The quality is
not so hot, but the playing is ferocious. On 11/18, in Houston, there
is a major, top 10 of all-time, version of "Playing in the Band". (I
am starting to think that this period has possibly the most intense
versions ever for this defining piece of music.) The show on the
following night (11/19) is one of the most exciting shows over-all,
from this southern tour. There is a "jam" segment before "Miss.1/2
step..", that contains several distinct, and very unique themes,
including the "philo stomp", "weather report" theme, a brain-fry, and
a very lengthy bass solo! The 2nd set jam from 11/22-Austin, is
tremendous. It goes like this: "He's Gone->Truckin->jam->drum
solo->The Other One->jam->bass solo->The Other One->Stella Blue". This
version of "He's Gone" is one of the top 10 attempts ever. It is long
and drawn out, and there is a nice long space before "Truckin", that
consists of pleasing variations on the "He's Gone" theme. This version
of "Truckin" is exceptional in that it has a lengthy section at the
end that relentlessly builds and builds till there seems to be no
recourse but "The Other One". Instead, they opt for a "drum solo",
which comes to a complete stop, and then Phil takes over and off we go
into a long and treat-filled exploration of "The Other One". (The
first verses don't start until after about 30 min.) The

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Oct 17, 2008 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In Dicks Words - 1972

I love how he says in #4 above that the 9/17 show (among others right around it) are not all that great except for the jam segment...and then he makes 9/17 a Dicks Picks #23.


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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Oct 17, 2008 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Clearly 73

"Hi, my fellow compulsive and insatiable tape/music junkies. I was promising to get together my analysis of the most prolific and exciting year in G.D. history, which is clearly 1973, where their jamming around and within the songs themselves, was at some kind of peak level of intensity that I don't think was ever equaled."

Agree 100%

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Oct 17, 2008 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Clearly 73

Cleary 72

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 17, 2008 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Clearly 73

Ahem...subtract four, please.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Oct 17, 2008 8:24pm
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And then add 9. and On Tuesdays add 5.

that really old GD stuff sounds too much like British Mod from the early 60's.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 17, 2008 9:26pm
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I agree! Some of that 65-66 stuff does indeed remind me of an SF scene interpretation of the 64 Yardbirds or some such...

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Poster: reddrider Date: Oct 17, 2008 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Clearly 73

fall of '95 (j/k)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 17, 2008 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Clearly 73

Yeah I was rummaging through the discs in the Honda for my commute home and Rosco Pavilion found it's way into my hand. Damn - I hadn't listened in awhile and it freakin' smokes.

Love '73

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 17, 2008 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In Dicks Words - 1972

Come on! How can anyone deny that their Europe 72 was probably their finest tour ever. Perfect tone, plenty of extended jamming. Pretty much perfect.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Oct 17, 2008 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In Dicks Words - 1972

If I had all of Europe '72 on disc (chuckle, chuckle, I've got 95% of it), I could probably go without the rest (though I'd bury a copy of Live/Dead at the bottom of the garden, to recover later, before they took the rest away). If I had the rest, I doubt if I could go without Europe '72.

Yes, it's THAT important. I have a high regard for Dick (R.I.P.) but you can't agree with someone about aboslutely everything, and Europe '72 is something I disagree about with him. Apologies for the poor grammar - maybe Rob The Wordsmith could correct it for me?

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Poster: craven714 Date: Oct 17, 2008 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In Dicks Words - 1972

Killer Nick!! Very cool....I guess I know what year I
will be listening to all weekend. Hope all is well with
ya bro.

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Poster: airgarcia416 Date: Oct 17, 2008 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In Dicks Words - 1972

More good stuff:


You'll see all the stuff on there.

Here's Dick's thoughts on '73 as a teaser:

Dick Latvala - 06:55am Jul 3, 1997 PDT (#301 of 327)

Hi there everybody. I have needed to take a thoroughly over-
indulgent break from having my attention daily focused on this
new computer tool, and the responsibilities of responding to so
many questions from so many people. I have felt as though I had
lost perspective on what I should be doing; and that is listening to
music. Which is another thing I have been doing lately. I sure
enjoy Harpur College, no matter how many times I've heard it. I
was enjoying this lull myself. I guess we need constant stimulation
of sorts. When I'm not saying anything, I find the discussions very
entertaining. It seems like it didn't take much to get a bunch of
you going on the merits of TDK vs. Maxell, or the Gerber's baby
food thing with our kitties everywhere. I thought that I was the
only one who knew about this treat! More really soon, I promise.

Dick Latvala - 01:55pm Jul 5, 1997 PDT (#302 of 327)

Hi, my fellow compulsive and insatiable tape/music junkies. I was
promising to get together my analysis of the most prolific and
exciting year in G.D. history, which is clearly 1973, where their
jamming around and within the songs themselves, was at some
kind of peak level of intensity that I don't think was ever equaled.
So, I have been putting this together for at least 2-3 weeks, since I
didn't want to say something that wasn't carefully researched it
took me some time! My next post will have this analysis in detail.

Dick Latvala - 03:07pm Jul 5, 1997 PDT (#303 of 327)

This being the best year of all-time, as far as uniqueness and
jamming and variety are concerned, I must say that this is a very
brief over-all attempt at putting some kind of order to the
immensity of brilliance delivered during this year. Also, this is to
be considered a work in progress please, and NOT anything
resembling a final say on my part. Besides, there are quite a few
shows that I need to hear again before I can consider this to be
competent. With all these reserve clauses intact, here we go:

1) 2/15/73- Madison, Wisconsin This has to be one of the top 10
shows of the year. The first set features an up-tempo version of
"Row Jimmy" that will knock you out. "China Cat->Rider" and
"Bertha" are also worth going with. The highlight is easily, as
though any of you can't guess, is "Playing in the Band". So, we
give this first set a VG rating, if not VG plus. The second set
starts off in a stunning manner, with one of the better versions of
"Here Comes Sunshine".(I really do not believe that any version
has even approached #1-12/19/73 or #2- 11/30/73) Not much is
happening until the "Dark Star" jam. Well this is superb, and so is
the "Eyes of the World" that follows. I am pretty much of the
opinion that the best versions of this monstrous medley that starts
with "Dark Star" and usually concludes with "Morning Dew", (but
as is the case here, went to "Eyes->China Doll") are the following:
2/22/73; 6/24/73; 9/11/73; 10/19/73; 10/25/73; 10/30/73; 11/11/73
and 12/18/73. Anyway, a thrilling version of "Sugar Magnolia"
and a pretty damn decent two-tune encore concludes this excellent
show, which is not in the vault, by the way!!

2) 2/21&22/73- Urbana, Il. I am pretty sure that this series will
definitely be a release when it's time comes around. The second
sets from both nights are fucking fantastic!!! It simply doen't get
any better or anywhere close, for that matter, until 9/8/73.

3) Whoops! I almost forgot something very special: 2/19/73-
Chicago ( excerpt) I have only found a cassette of Bear's that had
a very stunning, if not shocking, jam that goes: He's Gone->
Truckin'->jam->The Other One-> Eyes of the World-> China
Doll that simply has to be heard to be understood how good things
can get!!!

4) 2/26/73- Lincoln, Nebraska I am not in the "fold" of those that
place a whole lot of value on this show. I do believe some of the
best versions I've ever heard of "Tennessee Jed" and "Greatest
Story Ever Told" occur here though. The "Eyes of the World" is
definitely one of the major highlights of a show that I would not
think of in the first group of 10-15 shows from 1973.

5) Another WHOOPS! 2/24/73- Iowa City, Iowa We are missing
reel #5, but reel #6 starts off with one of the most exciting jams,
that includes a monstrous "bass solo" and following jam that has
that great style of transiting from "China Cat Sunflower" into "I
Know You Rider" that made the versions from late 1973 and most
of1974 so delicioius. I will never understand how they were able
to forget or just abandon that transition theme. This theme is a
magical thing that has eluded me from pinning it down for a very
long time. This theme gets into that question about "Tighten Up"
by Archie Drell And the Bells or is it the other way around?
Anyway, that whole thing needs to be thought out by me and any
one else that cares and we should let everyone know what we have
discovered. Hell, for all I know, you guys have already got that
one put in context!

6) I really don't have a thing on much till the end of March
period. There are some superb jams on 3/24/73 and 3/31/73. The
Philly night also has a very cool version of "China Cat->Rider"
and one of the all time greatest versions of "Sing Me Back Home",
and I should mention that the version of "Johnny B. Goode" on
this night(3/24/73) The version of "Eyes of the World" from
4/2/73- Boston is one of the best, as are versions of "Greatest
Story Ever Told", "Big River", "China Cat->Rider" and "Playing
in the Band". But the highlight has to be the JAM segment
following "Here Comes Sunshine".

7) The May and June stadium shows were not that impressive for
me, generally speaking of course. I know there are tremendous
moments here and there but I really don't consider the summer
shows to be in the same class or category, or universe for that
matter, as the October through December run of masterpieces.

8) 6/24/73- Portland, Or. This is not well known I believe, but it
contains one of the most exciting segments of G.D. music that I
have ever witnessed. The "Dark Star->jam->drum solo->jam-
>Dark Star->jam->Eyes of the World->China Doll" is worth
finding. Also I should say something about the show in
Vancouver on 6/22/73. The only part really interesting is the jams
that surround "The Other One" and what is between them of

8) That takes us up to the September run. (we really do not need
to get into the soundcheck dealy right!!) Well right away 9/8/73
sticks out begging for attention. Even the night before (9/7/73)
had fairly thrilling versions of TLEO, Jack Straw, PITB, WRS-
>Let it Grow.There is not a weak moment from "Truckin' "
through the ending tune "Sugar Magnolia". Even as good as this
night must sound, the following night things really explode. I
really can't put my finger on it because from the songlist, there is
nothing apparently compelling. Well, you guys will soon find out
what I mean, since I intend to release this one whenever the time
is right.

9) The 9/11/73-Williamsburg, Va. show is another favorite of
mine. Well actually it isn't a favorite in the sense of the whole
show, but it certainly has one of the finest examples of the famous
medley "Dark Star->Morning Dew". (which, BTW, I find the
9/10/74- Alexandra Palace to be one of the highest of the high
versions!!!) For the remainder of this month, I will have to pass
on since I have never been able to get passed the horns.

10) I guess we can say with confidence that things take on new
meanings on 10/19/73 in Oklahoma. This could easily have been
the first of the DP series, except for the absolute awesomeness of
"Here Comes Sunshine" on 12/19 /73. This has to be yet another
example of the "top version ever", of "Dark Star->Morning
Dew"!!! (and the jam within this incredible medley, of course!)
There is another excellent version of "Eyes of the World" that
goes into "Stella Blue" as the first encore!

11) Now we get to one of the all-time, out-of-this-world kind of
shows: 10/25/73. I really can't say enough about this one! The first
set is very good, but itis the second set that does you in. The
"China Cat->Rider" is one of the better ones from that era when
they used that transition material that people call "Tighten Up"
and other names, and I am just as confused about this as the next
guy. So a detailed discussion about that wonderful "jam"
occurring towards the ends of some "Dark Stars" from 1969 and
1970, (and which is stated as beautifully as I could ever hope to
hear on 4/8/72- Wembley) and which also could be occasionally
intimated during some versions of "Dancing in the Streets", that
kind of discussion is something that I would like to learn more
from some of you guys who have been investigating this. But not
right now, since I need to finish gushing all over this Madison
show. The "Dark Star->Eyes->Stella Blue" is where the action is!
There are "jams" surrounding these songs that contain some very,
very scary and unbelievable playing. A bass sound that Phil
employs here will pretty much have you seriously thinking that
this might be too much! Obviously words will never get this
described very well, at least not my words. The "Eyes" is another
one of those "best versions" type of things.

12) The 2 shows at the end of the month in St. Louis,Mo. were
both worthy of a future release with only the second sets. On
10/29/73, there is a pretty long jam that is concerned with "The
Other One" and on 10/30/73 it is "Dark Stars" turn. On each, the
playing is spectacular. The jam from the 10/29 show has simply
outstanding jamming around the songs and the songs themselves
are examples of the "best versions" category, especially "The
Other One", "Wharf Rat", "Sugar Magnolia" and "Casey Jones".
The "Eyes" from the following night is one of the best. The first
sets from both nights are not very interesting. In fact, I would call
them "below average", at best.

13) Although I really like the Winterland 11/11/73 show, I don't
think it is on the same levels as 10/19, 10/25, 10/29&30, 11/17,
11/20 and the second sets from 12/18 and 12/19. I think that
11/11 does have my favorite example of the transition material
being played excitingly between "China Cat" and "I Know You
Rider". (well, I guess a pretty strong case can easily be made for

14) The next example of a stupendous type of show is 11/20/73-
Denver. The playing is solid throughout the evening, but it is in
the second set (as usual!!!) where things really take off, with great
versions of every song from "China Cat->Rider" thru "Stella
Blue". The extra special quality that this show has for me is
expressed in the jamming around the "Other One". Again, it is
long and unique.

15) As for the run at Boston at the end of the month and the
beginning of December, well I would have to say that it is just
that, "a run of shows". What I mean here is that I see using these
3 nights as a 3-4 cd release of the "best of a run" kind of deal. Not
one of the 3 stands out on it's own, but in combo, they will deliver
some of the absolutely finest playing of the year!!!

16) That takes us to the end of the most powerful and fullfilling
year in G.D. history, as far as I am concerned. I've felt this way
for a long time, so I doubt that "new" evidence, or ways of
"looking/listening at it" will produce any substantial change. Not
that I am not open to this possibility!

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Oct 17, 2008 8:09pm
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There is a bunch of good articles in that link you provided. Thanks.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 17, 2008 7:48am
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Hey, it's none of my biz, but did you and craven meet up thru LMA? Very cool.

Thanks for the info via Dick...

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Poster: craven714 Date: Oct 17, 2008 8:46am
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Truth be told, it was at a Nambla rally.

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Poster: secret8476 Date: Oct 17, 2008 8:59am
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Always a good laugh to see someone whip out a NAMBLA reference.
Score one for Craven =P

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Poster: reddrider Date: Oct 17, 2008 9:53am
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So it was a Weir show.

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Poster: airgarcia416 Date: Oct 17, 2008 7:52am
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Met through here and met up at the Phil and Friends show in Columbus. A weird, wild night was had by all that night I tell you (well at least me - god bless the fact that hippies w/ eye droppers still can be found).

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Poster: airgarcia416 Date: Oct 17, 2008 7:42am
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Things are good. Give me a call sometime bro, go out and have a few beers or see some local shows.


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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Oct 17, 2008 7:23am
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Many thanks! I love seeing this kind of background information. And of course, it makes me go looking for shows I may have overlooked or under-appreciated.